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Anonymous
Oct 12th, 2008
7:57 PM
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Thank You Simple, And I Now Feel...

Thank you simple, and I now feel obligated to point this out. When I get up to start my day, I am next to the person that makes me happiest in this world. I would do anything for Shon, and I know she would do anything for me. Why would you think that straight people who hate each other have more right to be together than we do? Because religion mandates it? Because society demands it? Too bad! I refuse to live my life unhappy because someone else wants me too. If Hell is what awaits me and Shon because of our choice to be happy together, than bring it on! There's no way I could be happy in Heaven where a god tells me it's wrong to love the woman I love, just because we both happened to be born female. If this God created me, and doesn't want me to be gay, then why make me so miserible with a man? Why give me the happiness and love that I get from Shon if it's wrong? That is not a just God.

J.D.

J.D. commented on Thank You Simple, And I Now Feel
Sunday, October 12th, 2008, 7:58 PM EDT
I feel a little bit better.
Anonymous commented on Thank You Simple, And I Now Feel
Sunday, October 12th, 2008, 8:14 PM EDT
Who is pitching and who is catching?
J.D. commented on Thank You Simple, And I Now Feel
Sunday, October 12th, 2008, 8:17 PM EDT
Why do you keep asking that?
And doesn't it apply to men more than women?
I'm a lesbian, not a dude.
@ J.D. commented on Thank You Simple, And I Now Feel
Sunday, October 12th, 2008, 8:31 PM EDT
Protest all you want.You chose to consort with a woman, rather than men.Don't worry about what heaven will be like because you won't see it as long as you reject the truth.Think about the worst day, the worst experience of your life and how you felt that day.Hell will be 1000 times or more worse, for the rest of eternity.What would be funny would be if your personal hell and eternal torment would you alone the rest of eternity with nothing but big-dicked demons with men's bodies and goat heads with horns, fucking every orifice of your worthless body without end.And the heck of it is, you want to blame God, when in fact you made the choices while here on earth.Good luck.
J.D. commented on Thank You Simple, And I Now Feel
Sunday, October 12th, 2008, 8:38 PM EDT
To blame and be angry at God, first you have to believe. I do no CHOOSE to be with women. It is who and what I am. I was raised in a family that tried to repress the fact that I am gay, and taught me to do the same. And I did for 20 years. It was horrible. I spent everyday knowing that it was wrong, feeling like my life was going to mean nothing. I was went a man that I loved for 3 years, and still, it wasn't right.
And what right do you have to call ME worthless, just because I am gay? Doesn't your religion say "He who is without sin, cast the first stone" Are you going to tell me that you are sinnlessS? That you are right up there with you're great Jesus Christ? The only reason you sit here and condem me for my 'sins', with a no name comment, is becasue you yourself are not ready to be judged. I accept my fate. What are you going to say when you stand before your God on judgement day? "I cast stones those who didn't deserve it, told people what they were doing was wrong, with hate and venom filling the sentence. I sat on the computer, and told people they were going to be fucked by big dicked demons" I bet your God is so proud of you.
Anonymous commented on Thank You Simple, And I Now Feel
Sunday, October 12th, 2008, 8:43 PM EDT
it is your not you're
Christian Mary commented on Thank You Simple, And I Now Feel
Sunday, October 12th, 2008, 8:43 PM EDT
There is legitimate controversy about all of the passages in the Bible which refer to homosexuality. None of the references concern female-female sex. While a number of passages condemn aspects of male-male sex, none of them specifically prohibit the practice itself.

For instance: The sin of Sodom was rape and inhospitality, not homosexuality.

Genesis 9: 4- 8 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom-both young and old-surrounded the house. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them." Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing. Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don't do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof."
Christian Mary commented on Thank You Simple, And I Now Feel
Sunday, October 12th, 2008, 8:43 PM EDT

In Leviticus, male-male sex is labelled "unclean", along with menstruation, childbirth, eating pork and shellfish, and a host of other natural but ritually taboo activities. These are not condemned for themselves, but for their violation of "the holiness code", which defined a Jew and distinguished him/her from the surrounding tribes.

Jesus wiped away these taboos with His new definition of purity:

"It is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but it is what comes out of the mouth that defiles... what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this is what defiles, for out of the heart comes evil intentions, murder, adultery, fornication, theft, false witness, slander; these are what defile a person, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile." (Matthew 15:10, 18-20)
Christian Mary commented on Thank You Simple, And I Now Feel
Sunday, October 12th, 2008, 8:46 PM EDT

Does Paul, that stickler, condemn homosexuality? While calling homosexual acts "unclean" in Romans Chapter 1, he goes on to say:
"I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself." (Romans 14:14).

Paul is upholding the distinction made by Jesus between ritual uncleanliness and corruption of the heart, and saying that the former is NOT a sin.

What about the following?

Corinthians 6:9-10
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders (OUTE MALAKOI OUTE ARSENOKOITAI) nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Timothy 1:9-10
"the law is laid down not for the innocent but for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their father or mother, for murderers, fornicators, sodomites (ARSENOKOITAI), slave traders, liars, perjurers and whatever else is contrary to the sound teaching..."

These two passages are often quoted as proof of Paul's condemnation of homosexuals. But the references are to "homosexual offenders" and "sodomites", not homosexuals per se. The condemnation is for loose, exploitative, or otherwise immoral behavior, not for male-male sex itself. There is no passage that condemns loving sex acts between two men, or between two women, or homosexual marriage.
J.D. commented on Thank You Simple, And I Now Feel
Sunday, October 12th, 2008, 8:51 PM EDT
Thank you Mary, I was aware of those, although no name about obviously was not. Despite the fact that I am not a Christian, my family was both messiac jewish, and christian. I spent many years studying the bible, at my mother's order, but instead of teaching me that being gay was a sin, I learned the bible only actually says one quote against homosexuality, and that is in the old testament.
Anonymous commented on Thank You Simple, And I Now Feel
Sunday, October 12th, 2008, 9:20 PM EDT
Are homosexual acts especially serious sins, as suggested by Leviticus 20:13? Or are they relatively minor sins because they were not mentioned in the Ten Commandments or by Jesus, and there are only 12 other mentions in the Bible? (In comparison, the sin of hatred is mentioned 21 times, lying and false testimony 30, greed, avarice and covetousness 40, theft 42, adultery 52, murder 57, self-righteousness 79, and idolatry 169 times.)
anon commented on Thank You Simple, And I Now Feel
Sunday, October 12th, 2008, 9:27 PM EDT
I Corinthians 6:9 – “Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders”

Male prostitutes and homosexual offenders. Can someone explain to me why we would condemn an entire orientation because of the prohibition of these specific acts?

The Greek words Paul used in this passage include the word for a young, effeminate male prostitute and the word for the older man who paid to have sex with him.

We can acknowledge that the bible condemns prostitution and a system where a younger man makes his living committing sex acts for money with older men. But we cannot condemn homosexuality in general because homosexual prostitution was condemned.

Paul condemns many heterosexual acts in his writings, even in this very verse, yet we do not condemn heterosexuality
simple commented on Thank You Simple, And I Now Feel
Sunday, October 12th, 2008, 9:45 PM EDT
oh You are welcome J.D. ;-)
Anonymous commented on Thank You Simple, And I Now Feel
Sunday, October 12th, 2008, 9:52 PM EDT
Heterosexual acts between unmarrieds is condemned throughout the Bible.Look up Adultery and Fornication.

simple commented on Thank You Simple, And I Now Feel
Sunday, October 12th, 2008, 9:53 PM EDT
And one more thing, The Bible says all have sinned an fallen short of the glory of God. Ok. so lets just say we are on the same playing field. But J.D. is not worthless nor is anyone. Jesus was harder on those that cast judgement than anyone else. I see J.D. as a lady like anyone else just trying to figure things out while she is here. I am not God nor do i want to put myself in those shoes. I will simply wish her a life of happiness and meaning and consider myself fortunate to have met herDoesnt mean i agree or disagree with her choices in life. Simply means I will respect her choices in life as we all should everyones who is not hurting others. Life is too short to throw stones a;; day long. i would rather receive hugs:) ;-)
anon commented on Thank You Simple, And I Now Feel
Sunday, October 12th, 2008, 9:54 PM EDT
Paul condemns many heterosexual acts in his writings, even in this very verse, yet we do not condemn heterosexuality
Anonymous commented on Thank You Simple, And I Now Feel
Sunday, October 12th, 2008, 10:04 PM EDT
I wish that she would fall to her knees and ask God to forgive her sins.Jesus was hard on judgemental people, but he didn't mince words about what awaited those who reject the truth also.He was hard on evil-doers of all types.And that included sexual sin."For the wages of sin is death."Romans 6:23... Death, as in the second death of eternal damnation.Just because you don't believe something doesn't mean it isn't true.It is true that no person is worthless, but in hell your body, soul will be worthless.Please get right with God so you don't have to find out these things when it is too late.
simple commented on Thank You Simple, And I Now Feel
Sunday, October 12th, 2008, 10:24 PM EDT
finish the verse, but the gift of God is eternal life. take note of something interesting. 10 lepers came to Jesus asking to be healed. he gave them the answer on how to do that. Only 1 came and thanked him yet did not the other 9 also benefited in the blessing. On another occasion jesus diciples came to him and said hey we saw these other people casting out demons in your name so we stopped them cause they were not with us. Jesus himself said,those that are not against me,are for me. He also said he did not come into this world to condemn it,but to save it and because he was not of a condemning nature he was crucified for that. he upset the higher archy.(sp.)I dont know what plans have been laid out for you,or for J.D. or even clearly for myself. I do know that none of us see clearly now what the future holds and I am certainly not in Gods head and would presume to speak words for him. Will I pray for J.D. and for you and for myself yes but my prayer is that each one finds the path they need to find and it might not be the same path U or I are on ;-)
J.D. commented on Thank You Simple, And I Now Feel
Sunday, October 12th, 2008, 11:15 PM EDT
i honestly dont even care anymore. you right, my day will come. and ill bow down an curse god for rvry once of pain his faith has given me. i live a hell on earth, eternity is nothing. fuck god. i did my right things, i believed, and i followed, and still he did not show. nothing anyone on roo could say could make me hate myself more than i do tonite
MH commented on Thank You Simple, And I Now Feel
Sunday, October 12th, 2008, 11:17 PM EDT
Hello everyone!!

I felt bad about missing church today, but after reading this thread, I feel all caught up! :-)Ok so that's a lie, I always miss church, but that doesn't mean I don't think about going...lol
@J.D. commented on Thank You Simple, And I Now Feel
Sunday, October 12th, 2008, 11:26 PM EDT
Na na na na
Na na na na
Hey heeeeey
Goodbye!

winged reaper commented on Thank You Simple, And I Now Feel
Sunday, October 12th, 2008, 11:31 PM EDT
I had a friend in Ohio while I lived there that was a lesbian. I have no problems with people that are gay. if you are being true to your feelings of love and happiness then be with who you want to J.D. I have found the man that ia my soul mate..and if Shon is yours then go for it..and I hope the two of you are ogether for a long time! and if you wan't too chat some time J.D. get my e-mail from simple...
J.D. commented on Thank You Simple, And I Now Feel
Sunday, October 12th, 2008, 11:48 PM EDT
Honestly, I give up on trying to convince people on this site. There is no cure for ignorance. I have enough fucking shit going on tonight to have to deal with more people telling me I"m on my way to Hell or that I should die, or whatever else. I don't fucking give a shit anymore. Thanks for people who try to help.
and WR, i don't know how to get your email from simple without using this site. i dont talk to anyone from this site more personally than this.
I know Im making a mistake doing this, cause I'm going to get a lot of shit mail but I'll deal.
FlyinDucky420@yahoo.com
winged reaper commented on Thank You Simple, And I Now Feel
Sunday, October 12th, 2008, 11:54 PM EDT
@ J.D. I sent you a yahoo messanger invite to you I'll send you a message with my emails as well!
Rooer commented on Thank You Simple, And I Now Feel
Monday, October 13th, 2008, 11:16 AM EDT
JD all of our addresses have been put up here at one time form someone who had all out addresses and just delete whichever ones thast give you trouble or block them. I am an old Rooer who hardly comes here anymore but know that some of us a re good people who will be your friend and not judge you.
Rooer commented on Thank You Simple, And I Now Feel
Monday, October 13th, 2008, 11:18 AM EDT
I also know Winged Reaper and she is a good lady. Wishing you a good day! :-)
Anonymous commented on Thank You Simple, And I Now Feel
Monday, October 13th, 2008, 1:20 PM EDT
God loves the sinner, but hates the sin.And any sex outside of marriage is a sin, whether it is heterosexual or homosexual.And He will judge the sin.
Anonymous commented on Thank You Simple, And I Now Feel
Monday, October 13th, 2008, 1:45 PM EDT
Burn!Motherfucker burn!
J.D. commented on Thank You Simple, And I Now Feel
Monday, October 13th, 2008, 2:40 PM EDT
Thank you to those who gave kind words of wisdom and help. Things are better now. I wasn't upset about this bogotry in the least bit. I've dealt with it on a day to day basis with my parents. I just had some other shit going on at home.
And to the no name two post above..
I guess it's a good thing I'm married, huh? Today would be the fourth day. =) ;-)
winged reaper commented on Thank You Simple, And I Now Feel
Monday, October 13th, 2008, 5:40 PM EDT
@ rooer thanx :mrgreen:
@J.D. Congrats on getting Married I wish you all the best! :mrgreen::mrgreen:
Anonymous commented on Thank You Simple, And I Now Feel
Monday, October 13th, 2008, 10:02 PM EDT
Barf:roll:
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